Independent Report on Organ Harvesting in China:
Yes, it's happening, big time.
Kilgour and Matas' 46-page independent report on organ harvesting from prisoners of conscience in China concludes:
"We have come to the regrettable conclusion that the allegations are true. We believe that there has been and continues today to be large scale organ seizures from unwilling Falun Gong practitioners. Their vital organs, including hearts, kidneys, livers and corneas, were virtually simultaneously seized for sale at high prices, sometimes to foreigners, who normally face long waits for voluntary donations of such organs in their home countries." (emphasis added by us)
To read the report, the appendices (best to read them in entirety) and the two Davids' response to the Chinese Embassy denials of the practice (and pushing their hate propaganda) see:
investigation.redirectme.com
See the press conference live (with links to other excellent video on the topic, including interview with Cindy Gu of The Epoch Times):
Kilgour - Matas Press Conference
We have seen some attacks on Kilgour and Matas, for example saying that they were paid off. As it happens, these two fellows are somewhat beyond reproach, so such attacks only serve to destroy the credibility of the accusers. See the excellent column on Kilgour written by Peter Worthington, in the Toronto Sun:
A man of principles
To read the report, the appendices (best to read them in entirety) and the two Davids' response to the Chinese Embassy denials of the practice (and pushing their hate propaganda) see:
investigation.redirectme.com
See the press conference live (with links to other excellent video on the topic, including interview with Cindy Gu of The Epoch Times):
Kilgour - Matas Press Conference
We have seen some attacks on Kilgour and Matas, for example saying that they were paid off. As it happens, these two fellows are somewhat beyond reproach, so such attacks only serve to destroy the credibility of the accusers. See the excellent column on Kilgour written by Peter Worthington, in the Toronto Sun:
A man of principles
Kilgour and Matas are taking their findings to Washington next, with a press conference at the National Press Club on Thursday, July 20.
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July 19, 2006 12:48 p.m.
Note for Charles:
We took the liberty of deleting your last post, the long list of "references" that you include that led us to believe that you simply haven't read the report, or have chosen to deliberately ignore it.
The Chinese Embassy in Canada also published a denial that was unrelated to the report, which thankfully made them look rather buffoonish instead of credible.
The key here is to look at this report, which actually explains what evidence it looked at, and how it tried hard (and failed) to disprove the allegations of organ harvesting.
We welcome you to take a look at the report in detail. This would be a good step to show that you are acting in good faith.
July 19, 2006 8:47 p.m.
Just to be clear, the reason that we unpublished your comment is that we felt that these links, which largely lack substance, would distract readers from actually reading the report itself, and that perhaps that was their purpose. Hence our request to get some sense from you that you're interested in the report's findings, and not dismissing them offhand as do Chinese communist regime hacks.
July 28, 2006 3:17 p.m.
J&C, thanks for allowing me to post my contrarian view on your blog, and let people link to my blog to judge my research for themselves.
I would like to bring to your attention details in the Kilgour report that spoke against Falun Gong's accusation. It seems Kilgour ignored some glaring fallacy in what was presented to him, and has not scrutinized these so called "evidence" sufficiently.
Specifically, in the report, Appendix 12, Case 1:
- It mentioned Mr. Wang's brain was removed. There is no such thing as brain transplant.
- The alleged victim, Mr. Wang, appeared in 11/2000 ClearWisdom (another Falun Gong media outlet) article but no organ harvesting was mentioned:
http://clearwisdom.net/emh/articles/2000/11/16/6164.html
The article mentioned autoply was performed as part of Mr. Wang's murder investigation, and jail official implicated in Mr. Wang's murder was arrested as result of this investigation.
- Organ removal is typical of autopsy. The elaborate incisions on the neck (where no neck organ can be harvested for transplantation) is to reveal the hyoid bone for evidence of strangulation. Removal of heart and brain is also a routine, per the "Rokitansky method".
- I have shown the photo exhibited in Appendix 12, Case 1, to Dr. Friedlander, Chairman of Pathology Dept. at Kansas City University of Medicine, and he disagrees with Falun Gong's assertion.
In fact the photo shows autopsy being performed and murder investigation held by the Chinese government proves th opposit is ture. I can only surmise Epoch Times mis-represented the photo to generate emotional responses.
Matter of fact all the gory photos Epoch Times used in their 3/2006 story are recycled from old stories. Another one is Wang Yufeng, and in 2005 original story there was no mention of any organ removed from her body.
July 29, 2006 6:31 a.m.
Mr. Charles Liu, or is it Bobby Fletcher? We're not sure, because you changed your name on your blogger profile. We're curious how we should address you, and what the pseudonym is about.
As you probably well know, it is difficult to get information out of a forced labor camp. Giving out any information about what happened in labor camp is a capital offence in China -- i.e. you can rot in jail for years or much worse, because it is considered a "state secret."
There are only a few ways in which it can happen, and often not all of the information does not arrive in a single go. So, while the information on Clearwisdom is generally accurate, it is also often incomplete. However, we are unfamiliar with the details of the case that you cite here.
Whether or not the photo that you talk about is an autopsy photo, the mass of evidence presented in the report is not weakened by its exclusion. For that matter, the details of Sujiatun also don't matter -- I notice that you like to continue mentioning reports about it, but this report does not focus on it at all. It doesn't need to.
The report is about large scale organ harvesting from Falun Gong practitioners in many locations throughout the country. The evidence is compelling.
Are you deliberately avoiding addressing that evidence?
Are you pointing to a series of issues (the majority of which simply lack substance) that do not challenge its outcomes, but may act to confuse people about this macabre sitaution?
It seems that way to us, very much.
We also feel responsible for the contents of this blog. We don't want to be spreading misinformation on it.
However if you feel compelled to re-post the links you did before, the ones we removed early on, go right ahead.
August 01, 2006 1:43 a.m.
My opinion is if FLG can't make one story stick, 35 more won't help.
Harry Wu of Laogai Research Foundation, THE experts on Laogai, have said there's no evidence of organ harvesting in labor camps.
August 01, 2006 1:43 a.m.
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August 03, 2006 3:01 a.m.
And my opinion, "bobby," is that you're a paid shill for the Chinese government, based on the content/misinformation/propaganda on your "blogs."
The Epoch Times is one of the few media outlets left in the world that doesn't bow to the pressure of the Chinese government.
Nine Commentaries. Heard of 'em? Not too many news outlets dare to mention them these days.
August 10, 2006 2:16 p.m.
Rob, it's beneath me to disgrace myself with accusation I can't back up.
All my citations are public information that I have verified personally. Feel free to address them instead of going after the messenger because you don't have an answer.
C&J, have you seen the open letter from Harry Wu of Laogai Research Foundation? His independent investigation started 2nd week of March found Falun Gong's Sujiatun allegation not credible:
http://www.zonaeuropa.com/20060806_1.htm
And when he disagreed, Falun Gong's political machine turned on him.
August 17, 2006 2:45 a.m.
Charles, we are well aware that Harry Wu doesn't believe in Sujiatun. You seem to be up to your old tricks again.
Sujiatun has little to do with the Kilgour and Matas report which talks about organ harvesting. The report talks about this practice in at least 13 different locations. If Sujiatun were indeed false, this would ** not ** affect the conclusion in the report at all.
I am not sure why Harry Wu is so convinced that Sujiatun is false, though. Please take some time to read this statement, which speaks directly to this issue.
As for "political machines," Charles, we'll quote from Kilgour and Matas:
"The Falun Gong, to be sure, oppose human rights violations in China. But China is more than just human rights violations. As well, human rights are not political. They are universal. The notion of politics suggests a legitimate debate between opposing points of view. But there is no legitimate debate between respect for human rights and violations of human rights. Violations of human rights are always wrong. Respect for human rights is always right."
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